Use of robot program

[AdrianaL]

The game rules limit the interdiction of using a robot program to the sole case of "being from a third-party developer".
However, apart from the third-party developer well-known from the admin and Russian community, it is impossible to detect that a robot program is written by the player himself or another party. So, actually, this restriction turns very easy for any player to use a robot program from whoever except that well-known third-party.
On top, with all my respect to this game admin, it is very difficult to detect multi-boxing with 100% certitude. So, today's reality is the existence of plenty of accounts used by a few single players, not detected by admin as multi-boxing ... and they intensively make use of robot programs for exploration during tournaments.
Then, the immediate suggestion is to forbid the use of a robot program, whoever did write it.

Note, by the way, that this multitude of accounts used by a few single players (but not detected by admin as multi-boxing) allow for crazy spamming of players going the clean way. Then, at least, they infringe rule number 4 that forbids "conspiracy of a group of people aimed at obtaining in-game advantage".

[ontariomoderate]

Anything else as MLs is 3rd party, self written code is already not alowed.

[Hexxus]

Not sure why even an approved third-party bot is allowed. All of that ruins the game for players who play without it.

I used to play this game 24/7, all day long, and I have very powerful exploration and hero speeds. Even then I struggled to understand how some players pay for their army that is 2-4 times larger than mine and I KNOW they are not at their game as long as I was (I had no job or responsibilities and sat at my computer). I wondered how every single ruin I see my enemies farming (and it is large mass attacks, not single attacks) they manage to see my incoming attack or camp -- all day long, every time. I know they are not sitting there visioning every single ruin because I didn't even have time for that and I already said I had nothing else to do in my life. It's clearly bots.

Some of these players I've even engaged with outside of the game and I know they are "busy" so there is no way they are at their game this much. Impossible. Ridiculous.

Multi-boxing and botting needs to be addressed or this game will continue to die and remain dead forever because new players don't want to join a game full of powered bots who don't make mistakes.

[AdrianaL]

Not sure why even an approved third-party bot is allowed. All of that ruins the game for players who play without it.

I used to play this game 24/7, all day long, and I have very powerful exploration and hero speeds. Even then I struggled to understand how some players pay for their army that is 2-4 times larger than mine and I KNOW they are not at their game as long as I was (I had no job or responsibilities and sat at my computer). I wondered how every single ruin I see my enemies farming (and it is large mass attacks, not single attacks) they manage to see my incoming attack or camp -- all day long, every time. I know they are not sitting there visioning every single ruin because I didn't even have time for that and I already said I had nothing else to do in my life. It's clearly bots.

Some of these players I've even engaged with outside of the game and I know they are "busy" so there is no way they are at their game this much. Impossible. Ridiculous.

Multi-boxing and botting needs to be addressed or this game will continue to die and remain dead forever because new players don't want to join a game full of powered bots who don't make mistakes.

Hexxus, many thanks for complementing with your own experience about the matter!
So much evidence we have about players using bots. On top of what you detailed, there is the identical and strange behavior of several "players" in auctions for BG.
Personally, I fail in understanding why admin pays developers towards adding features aimed at players spending actual money in the game but, at the same time, they let things so permissive regarding usage of robot programs. It is very strange because the detection of botting requires routines very simple and easy to add by developers.

[AdrianaL]

Anything else as MLs is 3rd party, self written code is already not alowed.

The dictionary defines a third party as "a person or group besides the two primarily involved in a situation". So, sorry to contradict, but the present wording of game rules allows for a player to use self-written code.

[ontariomoderate]

The dictionary defines a third party as "a person or group besides the two primarily involved in a situation". So, sorry to contradict, but the present wording of game rules allows for a player to use self-written code.

Yes, but the situation is about 3rd party code. You are not involved in the development, you are just a player. The same person can have different roles depending on which aspect you look on at.

[AdrianaL]

The dictionary defines a third party as "a person or group besides the two primarily involved in a situation". So, sorry to contradict, but the present wording of game rules allows for a player to use self-written code.

Yes, but the situation is about 3rd party code. You are not involved in the development, you are just a player. The same person can have different roles depending on which aspect you look on at.

In real life, I mean in front of a Court, your interpretation (that I like) would not be valid. We need the admin to clarify and suppress any ambiguity on this critical matter.

[Hexxus]

All scripting should be punishable by permanent bans. Would stop players from having 1.5 million archers and impossible reaction times.
If you want automation to be fair, make it a feature inside of the game. Don't let it be something only some players use from outside sources illegitimately. Sucks that some players feel the need to use scripts to stay competitive to actual strategy and dedication.

Part of this game is endurance and if you don't have the endurance to play the parts of the game that requires you to get to the point where you are on top, then you don't deserve to be on top. Many good honest players will have the endurance to do this, but find themselves with little time to do anything else, so they must sacrifice some game in order to do other things in their life. Cheaters will use scripts to automate the part many good honest players have to endure (but are too exhausted to go further), so the cheater finds themselves easily ready to dominate moments of weakness. The maximum gold you can earn per day from ruins is roughly 10 million. Any salary that requires more than this per day is bogus and a good sign that something fishy is happening. Even saying you hit 30 ruins legitimately every day is a lie, you can't even be at your game long enough to do so EVERY SINGLE DAY -- and also somehow vision and protect each ruin from a camp trap. Absolute lies.

The US server is dry and stagnant -- do not tell me lucrative (legitimate) robberies are happening that involve millions of gold to make up the difference. Those are lies to cover up the scripting and staged battle multis. Clan warehouses cover some gaps, but not when every single player of the clan has armies of this size. There's also the idea to keep large chunks of army inside ressurector to reduce salary....but how did they get there? Even the players who accuse others of cheating are cheating themselves and it is hilariously sad. Stage battles, on stages, on stages. Scripts on scripts on scripts. Logging into each other's accounts, upon logging into each other's accounts, upon logging into each other's accounts.

I don't cheat and I never will, because I'm deathly afraid of being banned. Why is it I've NEVER been banned?
Again, at the end of the day it's my word against others about cheating. Call me a "cheater" too, but the record shows... I've NEVER been banned and even those who blame others for cheating in the past... have had at least temporary bans for abusing the rules with regards to multiboxing or account sharing or scripting. I've NEVER had this (because I don't want to get involved in that shit) -- perhaps I would indulge in these practices if they were legit, but they're NOT... and like I said the last thing I want is to be banned, so I will never commit a bannable offense.

When you undermine real effort with cheating, the game is unrewarding for honest players who've worked hard from day 1 with 0 bans.

[manticora]

Bot cannot save a player all the time. It is not as smart as a real player.

You can easily gather more than 10 million gold per day. Assume a player runs 3 commanders, who can hit 2 ruins per hour, that comes to 6. So need 5 hours with 3 commanders to gather all that gold. They can make ~20 million per day. I usually hit 30 ruin cap pretty easily so don't say that players can't do it.

I don't have 3 commanders but there are also other ways to make gold. Healers can be trained very easily and cheap in barracks, then sacrificed using scrolls. Can make 100 million gold instantly. Other tricks are to put army with guru with salary spell so you can save the whole salary for 24 hours.

I do agree that any bot should be perma-ban, same with these multi's, those should be permaban as well. See the same players over and over again.

[ontariomoderate]

I agree, its very possible to get that much income per day. Also dont forget 20M is only the direct gold from ruins, another 6M by exchanging wood-iron and even more on market.
Sacrifies are indeed a very effortless way to get a lot of gold. With barracks the unit can be up to 20 times worth more than the input.

Nevertheless, if some one breakes the rules to get more they sure should be banned.

[Hexxus]

I never said players can't hit the limit -- I hit the limit too ... and it's barely enough lol. I say it's fishy to hit it every single day at a requirement you laid out of minimum 6 hours being at your game every single time the heroes are back and instantly relaunching with max speed (which is unfeasible given ruin distance and spawning). Then also protecting all ruin launches from camp traps. Laughable.

I told you I used to sit and play the game all day long. Even then it's too much to cover all your ruins if you launch in mass. Yet somehow my enemies can do it while not even being at their game.
What kind of job do you guys have that you can spend every minute checking mylands during the day, then all night? Hilarious, you're gods (or bots).

Commanders help, yes. Doesn't mean it can't still be illegitimate in how one acquires gold to maintain. EDIT: LMAO I forgot to mention 250k healers salary.
Sacrifice scrolls are good too, but rare. You can't say "just use a sacrifice scroll" like it's something every player can have on hand at any time.
Especially when the salary is so high you would require one every month.

Also buying and selling accounts should be perma ban. It leads to players logging into each other's accounts when things get dicey whether they intend to or not, the pressure makes them do it.
Wonder where the real owner of Manticora account went.
Ontario, how's Pachan?

[manticora]

I'll refer you to the in-game guide. Figure out how to play.

[AdrianaL]

I never said players can't hit the limit -- I hit the limit too ... and it's barely enough lol. I say it's fishy to hit it every single day at a requirement you laid out of minimum 6 hours being at your game every single time the heroes are back and instantly relaunching with max speed (which is unfeasible given ruin distance and spawning). Then also protecting all ruin launches from camp traps. Laughable.

I told you I used to sit and play the game all day long. Even then it's too much to cover all your ruins if you launch in mass. Yet somehow my enemies can do it while not even being at their game.
What kind of job do you guys have that you can spend every minute checking mylands during the day, then all night? Hilarious, you're gods (or bots).

Commanders help, yes. Doesn't mean it can't still be illegitimate in how one acquires gold to maintain. EDIT: LMAO I forgot to mention 250k healers salary.
Sacrifice scrolls are good too, but rare. You can't say "just use a sacrifice scroll" like it's something every player can have on hand at any time.
Especially when the salary is so high you would require one every month.

Also buying and selling accounts should be perma ban. It leads to players logging into each other's accounts when things get dicey whether they intend to or not, the pressure makes them do it.
Wonder where the real owner of Manticora account went.
Ontario, how's Pachan?

Hexxus, the game's rules forbid you to "unveil your password to other players" (which all of us know happening lots, at least to manage real-life vacation!). Clearly, a sole user is not allowed to handle multiple accounts, even for a very short duration.
The transfer of an account to another person is another topic, not covered in the game's rules. So, would someone want to do it, he has to contact the admin and proceed under their directives. Anyway, never it is allowed to end up multi-boxing!
By the way, would the admin want to detect accounts transferred out of their control, there's a rather simple way: All of us provide an email when opening our My Lands account ... but when transferred abnormally, in all cases I happened to be aware of, the new owner got the login and password information only. He did not get the email information (logic because most of the time it was a personal one). So, the admin could detect most of the abnormal transfers by setting up a periodical check that requires the email.

[ontariomoderate]

By the way, would the admin want to detect accounts transferred out of their control, there's a rather simple way: All of us provide an email when opening our My Lands account ... but when transferred abnormally, in all cases I happened to be aware of, the new owner got the login and password information only. He did not get the email information (logic because most of the time it was a personal one). So, the admin could detect most of the abnormal transfers by setting up a periodical check that requires the email.

I dont see how that should help with the problem. If the actual owner wants a friend to play on his acc he can complete the check for him. If its a one time deal for money it would be stupid for the buyer not to request full access...

[manunited]

https://prnt.sc/12f8wym tiger

https://prnt.sc/12f8xba tumaleks

https://prnt.sc/12f8xj4 jackslater and vitnet

https://prnt.sc/12f8xsj wtfviktr

is this you all are talking about? using this kind of bot program or something else?

[AdrianaL]

By the way, would the admin want to detect accounts transferred out of their control, there's a rather simple way: All of us provide an email when opening our My Lands account ... but when transferred abnormally, in all cases I happened to be aware of, the new owner got the login and password information only. He did not get the email information (logic because most of the time it was a personal one). So, the admin could detect most of the abnormal transfers by setting up a periodical check that requires the email.

I dont see how that should help with the problem. If the actual owner wants a friend to play on his acc he can complete the check for him. If its a one time deal for money it would be stupid for the buyer not to request full access...

Deals for money may have been current pratice in old days, I doubt being to case during recent years. Anyway, let the admin do the trial and we'll see the outcome.

[AdrianaL]

https://prnt.sc/12f8wym tiger

https://prnt.sc/12f8xba tumaleks

https://prnt.sc/12f8xj4 jackslater and vitnet

https://prnt.sc/12f8xsj wtfviktr

is this you all are talking about? using this kind of bot program or something else?

What you show corresponds to the bot program that I called "well-known by admin ...", which we knew being proposed by a third party. Admin did fight hard against that and your screenshots illustrate the same.
Nevertheless, nowadays, suspicion of players using a bot program remains high still. Those bot programs may have another origin, including a player developing a bot/script by himself. That's the reason for requesting an amendment of the game's rules, suppressing the limitation to a "third party".

[Hexxus]

I'll refer you to the in-game guide. Figure out how to play.

Which part of the in-game guide describes how you manage 500k salary per hour legitimately? Or were you referring to the part about staged battles?
Maybe the account sharing section?