CC Gold Robbery - Staged Battle?

[Hexxus]

Greetings,
I'd like to openly inquire about the topic of staged battle offense regarding clan castles and separate allied clans.
If two clans are allied, but not officially through diplomacy corps, should it be a punishable staged battle offense if they rob gold from each other's clan castles and permit the attacks to go through?

By traditional interpretation this is certainly a staged battle, but like the passing of flags as an exception, the question arises whether this is another exception regarding this event as well.

Thoughts from all?
Admin?

[Elyssar]

lol but why is not russian baned
look CC from clans SNG,RIP,SSSR,VIK and others all is made for gold you get spy report from 30m to 60m gold per Castle
tiger984 si from SSSR he atack VIK,SSSR,SNG
jackslater is from VIK and atack other russian Clan castle
wtfviktr is same from VIK and do same like jacksalter
they have big army and cant take gold from ruins for army
they atack frendly CC but they are never baned

[ontariomoderate]

Was there even a player banned for robbing gold from a friends city? So far i only heard players getting punished that killed signifiant amount of troops.

What i know is that admins do also take substitute into account if he caused the outcome. So the KM might be responsible for CCs if he prepares them for the attackers benefit...

[Tiger984]

the administration punishes players for attacking allied castles, I was punished for this once, but the administrator did not indicate that there was an attack on the clan castle, but simply writes a negotiated battle

[Tiger984]

and this is sad, I PROPOSE JUST REMOVE THE TEMPLE FROM THE GAME, IT HAS BEEN HARD TO PLAY

[Hexxus]

lol but why is not russian baned
look CC from clans SNG,RIP,SSSR,VIK and others all is made for gold you get spy report from 30m to 60m gold per Castle
tiger984 si from SSSR he atack VIK,SSSR,SNG
jackslater is from VIK and atack other russian Clan castle
wtfviktr is same from VIK and do same like jacksalter
they have big army and cant take gold from ruins for army
they atack frendly CC but they are never baned

On the contrary, they were banned which is what prompted this post in the first place. The punishments have been inconsistent (see all the examples you gave where they were not punished). That's why this should be discussed.

Was there even a player banned for robbing gold from a friends city? So far i only heard players getting punished that killed signifiant amount of troops.

What i know is that admins do also take substitute into account if he caused the outcome. So the KM might be responsible for CCs if he prepares them for the attackers benefit...

The focus is on Clan Castles, player cities may be a different discussion. Some players were previously banned for CC gold robbery, but the punishment has been inconsistent, which prompted this post.

the administration punishes players for attacking allied castles, I was punished for this once, but the administrator did not indicate that there was an attack on the clan castle, but simply writes a negotiated battle

I would love for admin to clarify and determine for us if this is a punishable offense or an exception going forward. I can definitely see it being an exception like flag passing, but I can also see the abuse possible.

and this is sad, I PROPOSE JUST REMOVE THE TEMPLE FROM THE GAME, IT HAS BEEN HARD TO PLAY

Not relevant and not even really a solution within that discussion. There's other ways to reduce temple effectiveness without just removing it from the game. Let's stick to the topic here though.

[Elyssar]

and this is sad, I PROPOSE JUST REMOVE THE TEMPLE FROM THE GAME, IT HAS BEEN HARD TO PLAY

i say to ban all acounts with one is baned before for multy's

[Hexxus]

Any other thoughts?

Please join me in requesting the admin response to this scenario.

[Arbash]

It is true that robbing flags and seizing outer domains is allowed in the game.
But all other types of staged battles are forbidden, including the staged battles in Clan Castles.

[Hexxus]

It is true that robbing flags and seizing outer domains is allowed in the game.
But all other types of staged battles are forbidden, including the staged battles in Clan Castles.

Then offenders should be banned daily -- you can easily detect these attacks from your side as game admin. We as players cannot watch cheaters all day long. How come a dozen clans are united on the same team, yet they stage battles on each other's Clan Castles nearly everyday? Millions of gold and castle banners staged and nothing is done.

[RIQUEN]

Probably the only thing that can discourage the CC robbery from/between "Allied" "Friendly" clans. Disable gold production on, clan castle, no gold production no appealing to stage battles. It is almost impossible to prove a player is friend of a certain clan if no links established on diplomatic corps. And is clear administration do not has the technological or human resources to keep track of this battles that happen constantly on server.

At end if clans need to build something on clan castles and upkeep army's there, resources donations can be done.

[ontariomoderate]

Should that also apply to neutral ones? I think a reduction like 50k -> 15k would be fair and upkeep could be cut by the same amount so the only difference is that it is less effective for staging.

[Hexxus]

Probably the only thing that can discourage the CC robbery from/between "Allied" "Friendly" clans. Disable gold production on, clan castle, no gold production no appealing to stage battles. It is almost impossible to prove a player is friend of a certain clan if no links established on diplomatic corps. And is clear administration do not has the technological or human resources to keep track of this battles that happen constantly on server.

At end if clans need to build something on clan castles and upkeep army's there, resources donations can be done.

This doesn't address the part of the staging, only the part versus an enemy where the CC's have a decent income and capability to store millions if setup a certain way and enemies can come to rob. Setting gold storage to 0 doesn't exist when you are intentionally setting it high for your buddies to rob.

In a server with little wars (and legitimate ability to declare wars given the restrictions of CC quantities) and thus little point generation -- how some clans have banners that are lasting months at a time even close to a year? They are staging banners and collecting them between each other for a staged benefit that gives them the advantage over honest players who play by the rules -- rules which typically dictate limits that either certain banners cannot be sustained constantly due to the base accrual of points versus their cost per week, or they must be at war with another clan to generate points. The latter I doubt due to said restrictions, especially on our server.

EDIT: Also, yes, they definitely do have the technology. If they can program an entire game, they can add a line of code that shows them a list of CC battles under suspicious parameters, such as collecting a dozen banners from a dozen CC's or millions of gold with no significant battle.

[RIQUEN]

having the technology do not mean using it, clearly they do not had program such routine and no interest on the near future to have it program, additionally if they FAIL to identify staged battles player vs player the chancces for them to identify staged clan castle battles is near to cero, and lets not mention that even if having the tool, routine, or whatever you wish to call it program and active still need some "human" to review the information that routine is producing and clearly they do not have such person hired. probably on russian servers that still very profitable but the other international servers with less than 300 active players... doubt any one check any thing.

Staged battles been an issue since i begin using this game back in 2012 and a decade later still the same issue. 10 years and witnessed no major improvement not even when USA server had over 3000 active players.

reduce gold production, reduce storage capability is meant to DISCOURAGE it wont fix staged cause not meant to fix it, after so long in this game one had learn one thing, changes and improvements take ages if they even happen. multi boxing, staged battles had polluted this game this game since i remember and one of the main reasons we only have couple hundred active players.

standards.... well thats another different sh..t hole.